The US military and the truth

[hillbilly-joe]

Sad day for America.  That war is BS just like he said.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/04/peter-fuller-fired_n_1077204.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%7C110149

[zagatron1]

Couldn't agree more! They think 'cause you wear the uniform you can't have your own perspective. I say think again.

[diaper head]

i don't remember that happening in the past. it seems like a new thing.

[zagatron1]

i don't remember that happening in the past. it seems like a new thing.

Well, it's not that it's new, it's just that there are new folks, new ideas, new ideals, different personalities, etc. There was a time when things were kept under wraps big time. Times are a bit more......... well, different one would say. I guess. I know they are different since I wore the uniform.

[hillbilly-joe]

i don't remember that happening in the past. it seems like a new thing.

Well, it's not that it's new, it's just that there are new folks, new ideas, new ideals, different personalities, etc. There was a time when things were kept under wraps big time. Times are a bit more......... well, different one would say. I guess. I know they are different since I wore the uniform.

Me, too! United States Air Force

[zagatron1]

I was a 2 brancher USMC/US Army(in that order).

[reb]

who was it did the rolling stone article, and then had to retire? was it the 2 star that was over iraq/afganistan??? nah..here it is:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Stanley_A._McChrystal

i wish someone would explain to me how anyone could make 'flattering' remarks about joe biden. what would there be to flatter? 'hey, joe! make some more comments, please. you're really funny! you could go on snl if you get tired of holding the vp's seat!'.

i was a dac for nearly 30 years. (department of army civilian) no uniformed service. despite that, i had to remind a lot of officers and civilians 'what color are my clothes?'.

[pictoratus]

i don't remember that happening in the past. it seems like a new thing.

We are now living in the politically correct age where what someone says and how it is viewed in the current political climate is more important than the job ... or what was meant as far as intent.

Sometimes it results in what is known as cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[zagatron1]

I don't think the "status quo" knows what it wants from folks. Just like the ones that decide to run for office and the media and others want to dig up dirt on a person no matter what it may be or how far back the event occured. Things like sexual harassment, experimenting with pot, not playing in tune, late for practice, not finishing your peas, making unauthorized exits of the crib at night, etc.

[reb]

jack abramoff was on 60 minutes tonight. he pretty much spilled the beans on 'what is wrong with our government'. it's 'money'...he mentioned at one point that he had 100 congressional offices that he had 'seriously strong influence' over. sick.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Jack_Abramoff

when you have money flowing under the table...and over it...the soldier, the civilian working for a living...they are the last thing on the 'leaders'' minds. they aint payin' attention...their jobs are 'like swatting a fly' to them. it takes them away from their main interest to have to 'do the job'.

[DetroitBlues]

Nothing like telling it how it is.  We should get out of both countries as it is.

[diaper head]

you know, i just want to say something about biden. sometimes he feels like a bad tv show for us delawareans.   before he was vp, he wasn't really like that.  it's as if he suddenly became a big turd the minute he got elected.  i've met him a few times, many years ago.  he's been a player in delaware since forever.  he sure seemed normal back then. there's alot of us who wonder wth happened?
hahahaha

[reb]

could be anything, dh. they say power is a drug.

i have sat with brigadier generals in 'working meetings'. when they became two stars, most of them turned into something like 'a turd in the punchbowl'. i saw the same thing with people who got promoted to middle management. it's a dang shame...

biden's mouth is one of the funniest things on tv. the only person consistently funnier is craig ferguson. when i think of joe biden, some of the stuff he says makes me think of yogi berra. i miss the heck out of yogi. i'd vote for him for president.

[diaper head]

initially what i meant  was i don't remember so many leaders voicing their opinions with such apparent disregard for the consequences.  before the mid 80's,  it just wasn't done.  leaders remained in lock step, or they parted ways before they participated in what they disproved of. these days people do the the thing they think is wrong, bitch about it after the fact, and then whine when they get stung for it.  if they didn't agree, they shouldn't have been a part of it.  it's that simple, and anyone who says otherwise is feedin you a line of b.s.

[zagatron1]

There were some simular circumstances that occured, way prior to the 80s as a matter of fact. A couple of names to remember, Patton, and MacArthur.