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Klaus

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What is the different?
« on: January 07, 2012, 04:51:30 AM »
Hi Guys
Im new so sorry if this have been asked before, I tried to look it up here but coudnt find the answer.

I constantly read about MIM strats and MIA strats but what is the difference?

Does it simply mean "Made in Mexico" and "Made in America"  (Im guessing here)

Thanks in advance
Klaus 8)

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Re: What is the different?
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2012, 06:28:09 AM »
Hi Guys
Im new so sorry if this have been asked before, I tried to look it up here but coudnt find the answer.

I constantly read about MIM strats and MIA strats but what is the difference?

Does it simply mean "Made in Mexico" and "Made in America"  (Im guessing here)

Thanks in advance
Klaus 8)

Hey Klaus,
I have to be honest & say I don't recall seeing that one before, I have seen MIM & I use it all the time for my made in Mexico Strat, but for my USA Strat I say American Strat not MIA, I think that means Missing in Action in war movies, but as I am living in Australia perhaps I have missed something? I am sure one of the guys from the US will set you straight on those abbreviations ;D



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Re: What is the different?
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2012, 07:11:44 AM »
Yeah - seen the MIA for the USA guitars, though don't see it as often not as aften as the MIM abbreviation. Of course there's the MIJ (Japan) too!

There's supposed to be differences in quality of materials and number of pieces that make up the guitar body as well as labour costs. But there doesn't seem to be much in the way of official detail of this - maybe I've not looked in the right places.

See post number 10 on the linked page for pictures from a Fender factory tour of MIM and MIA body blanks.
http://www.seymourduncan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=174498

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Re: What is the different?
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2012, 09:09:57 AM »
That is what the letter stand for, but as for differences, the MIA strats have wider necks at the nut and are a little thicker.  Also, most standard and lower model MIA strats have 22 frets over the 21 on the MIM.  Also the tremolo of the MIA strats is a two point system versus the six screws of the MIM....

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Re: What is the different?
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2012, 12:42:01 PM »
That's one of the worlds really difficult questions to answer as there are so many differences between American Strats before you even scrape the surface on the subject of Mexican Strats. At one time, the parts for Mexican Strats came from the US to be assembled at the Ensenada plant in Mexico. I think the current (1985-present) US versions are assembled in Corona, California. My American Strat came from Fullerton, California, plus I have Mexican one as well. And, let us not forget that some "Signature models" came from Mexico as well. I think y'all know 'bout them "Custom Shop" joints. When I stop and think about it, one would be only beginning to "scratch the surface" when it comes to making comparisons between differences because it would take forever and a day, and something still would be left out. Let's face it.......Fenders' been changing lanes for years and that probably will never change. Oh yeah, another thing....don't forget about Fender Japan! They had FujiGen and Tōkai manufacturing guitars at one time even though I don't think they were for export. Like I say, thats a tough question. At least for me.

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Re: What is the different?
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2012, 03:16:55 PM »
Oh yeah, I forgot.......there's  "Made in Japan" and there's "Crafted in Japan"! When will the madness end? :-\

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Re: What is the different?
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2012, 02:37:31 AM »
That's one of the worlds really difficult questions to answer as there are so many differences between American Strats before you even scrape the surface on the subject of Mexican Strats. At one time, the parts for Mexican Strats came from the US to be assembled at the Ensenada plant in Mexico. I think the current (1985-present) US versions are assembled in Corona, California. My American Strat came from Fullerton, California, plus I have Mexican one as well. And, let us not forget that some "Signature models" came from Mexico as well. I think y'all know 'bout them "Custom Shop" joints. When I stop and think about it, one would be only beginning to "scratch the surface" when it comes to making comparisons between differences because it would take forever and a day, and something still would be left out. Let's face it.......Fenders' been changing lanes for years and that probably will never change. Oh yeah, another thing....don't forget about Fender Japan! They had FujiGen and Tōkai manufacturing guitars at one time even though I don't think they were for export. Like I say, thats a tough question. At least for me.

Hi all and thanks for your answers.
Yeah you are right zagatron1 there are so many differences and thats why (if you like me, have been away from all the guitar stuff for 15 years) can be quite confusing with all those different Strat models. I have a MIM Strat my self which is quite ok, but I havent tried all the other models.
You are saying that Tokai have made Fender guitars before, so can I asume that Tokai have learnt or maybe even "stolen" some technics in making their own guitars? What Im really are asking is, that maybe some of the Tokai guitars are as good or maybe even better than some Fenders?

Thanks again for your answers  :)
Klaus
Ps. Sorry about my bad english, hope you understand anyway.

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Re: What is the different?
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2012, 08:49:37 AM »
Yeah Klaus, like you I took a break from guitar (12 years), so i know what you mean. I think Fender contracted Tokai Gakki to make guitars for them since 1997 because they had realized that since they made such good copies way back in the day (somewhere in the 70s),"they might as well work for us"! They made Gibson copies too, but had their own names for these models. Something like that. ???

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Re: What is the different?
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2012, 01:15:52 PM »
Way back in the early 80's, Fender was losing out the Japanese companies.  They hired a couple to produce the MIJ (Made In Japan) copies of their guitars.  It was back then when Fender came up with the Vintage Reissue models.  Japan produced some of the highest quality Fender guitars whose value is almost as high as the few American made Fenders...  It has been said the Japanese Fenders prevented Fender from shutting down its doors for good.

But don't think Gibson didn't suffer either back then.  Because of union labor in Michigan, Gibson closed down its production in Kalamazoo Michigan and moved everything to Nashville where the labor was much cheaper and more centralized material delivery point.   But just like Fender not doing anything to stop Kirn, Suhr, or Grosh from making copies of their guitars, Gibson made possible Heritage guitars from their old employees at their old factory in Kalamazoo.

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Re: What is the different?
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2012, 02:15:42 PM »
Here's a source of information regarding Tokai;  http://www.tokaiguitar.de/1.php?pageid=13&tplid=2  I'm sure you'll find it quite interesting.

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Re: What is the different?
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2012, 01:27:33 AM »
A very good guitar playing friend of mine has in his collection an american vintage 62 stratocaster reissue and a Tokai Goldstar 'Strat' from the early 1980s. There is really nothing in the sound / playing quality to indicate the Tokai is inferior - only the price suggests it. I guess this is why even Tokai has troubles these days with fakes being sold that are badged as Tokai but aren't - 'Fakais' as they are known on the Tokai forum - you could say that the biter is being bit. Also note that Tokai guitars are, like Fender, built in different countries - only their higher quality range is built in Japan.

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Re: What is the different?
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2012, 03:10:57 AM »
Wow what a great Forum this is. Thanks again for all your answers  :)

Yes zagatron1 your links is quite interesting, for me it looks like some amazing guitars. And their gallery page showing all the models they have made through time, great.

Ok all this brings me to my next question, sorry.
Are the older Tokai guitar better than the new ones or are the new ones better than the old ones?

If Im going to look for a second hand Tokai "Strat" are their some years that are better than others?

Cheers
Klaus

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Re: What is the different?
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2012, 06:06:53 AM »
That's a tough question Klaus.  Tokai guitars were generally known for great quality guitars back in the 80's and continue that trend today.  I'd suggest an older one as it might save you some money plus it has 20 or so years to develop its own "Mojo".  A newer one may be great too because manufacture processes have become much more precise than the in the 80's or earlier.  Godin guitars are made in Canada and recently there was a couple videos posted as to how they were made.  Very interesting to see their process for making each guitar within precise specifications... I'd imagine Tokai guitars are the same.  Tokai also makes some really great Les Paul style guitars with better quality then most Gibson's made today (at least so I've heard).

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Re: What is the different?
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2012, 07:22:14 AM »
A very good guitar playing friend of mine has in his collection an american vintage 62 stratocaster reissue and a Tokai Goldstar 'Strat' from the early 1980s. There is really nothing in the sound / playing quality to indicate the Tokai is inferior - only the price suggests it. I guess this is why even Tokai has troubles these days with fakes being sold that are badged as Tokai but aren't - 'Fakais' as they are known on the Tokai forum - you could say that the biter is being bit. Also note that Tokai guitars are, like Fender, built in different countries - only their higher quality range is built in Japan.


the only snag there is that the tokai registry refuses to acknowledge the canadian fakai. it was made in the matsumoko factory just like the others, alongside fender, dillion, prs, and roxbury, just to name a few. where the difference comes in is the quality.
the "canadian" fakai is a much better quality guitar, made to higher standards and better specs.
it's quite a heated issue over at the tokai registry, but i don't entirely know why they refuse, even after people have posted pics and specs, that canadian fakai is the cream of the crop, who's quality stands toe-to-toe with any guitar made in the world. i know this to be fact, because i have seen and played them myself. gibson on their best day, produces few guitars of this quality, fit and finish.
best yet, they can be easily had for $500 or less all day long in south west ontario.

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Re: What is the different?
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2012, 10:19:24 AM »
It's all good reading..... I mean interesting stuff, but in the end I just want to play. I've got to the point where I don't care where an axe was made. If it feels good in my hands, looks and sounds good, that's okay with me. I know this doesn't have anything to do with this thread, but a client of mine just bought one of those new generation Ampeg amps (GVT15-112 combo) and on the back it says "Made on planet earth"! So I guess there are other people who aren't hell bent on where something was made, as long as the quality is good.