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Guitars Talk => Amplifiers => : Memory Lane Jr January 16, 2012, 05:16:54 AM

: Tube, Solid State, Modeling.
: Memory Lane Jr January 16, 2012, 05:16:54 AM
Ok I know this one has been done to death but it seems to pop up a lot on the net.
"Looking for a great low volume tube amp for bedroom playing." Hands up how many times you have seen that one posted.
I have to admit to being guilty of the above, but as most people will agree great low volume tone from a tube amp does not always happen, they like to be cranked up loud for best performance. Well I own a tube amp (Tweaker15) & a modeling amp (Vox Valvetronix VT20+) & this afternoon I knocked off work early heavy rain out, so I decided to have a comparo 'tween the two, maybe a little unfair some will say as the Vox has an 8" speaker & Tweaker 12." But to be honest at low volumes IMHO I think the Vox wins, to my ears it has a real sweet tone at lower outputs, I was using the US Blues amp model on the Vox with all other FX off & my TC Delay & reverb into the amp, same on the Tweaker. But as I brought both amps up to higher volumes the Tweaker started to take on that lovely tube breakup tone & the Vox started farting. But for low volume tones I think the modeling amp is the better bet especially when you start looking at prices the Vox cost me $190 new but shop soiled & the Tweaker Combo cost me $650 new. I wish the Vox had an ext speaker output as I reckon it would perform a lot better into my 12" Cab. So what opinions do you guys & girls have on the subject of low volume tone Tube Vs Modeling any thoughts to fuel the fires?      ::)  :P  :-\
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: DetroitBlues January 16, 2012, 08:12:03 AM
There are rare exceptions, but when it comes to low volume or headphone use, solid state modeling amps win every time.  Its when those amps are cranked do they not perform as well as we hoped.  Tube amps are great for playing live with a band or on stage, but when it comes to playing at home, modeling amps are the way to go.  Some would argue this, but I think the Line 6 Spider and Fender Mustang series are perfect for this.  Vox is pretty good too, but I've had better luck with Line 6.
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: diaper head January 16, 2012, 10:22:30 AM
the roland cube was the best TRUE bedroom amp i ever played.   i tested it against the marshall fx and the fender g-dec.  it blew both of them away.  however,  for me, i seem to really prefer a 12" speaker.
that means more volume than i need.  but the tonal difference to my ear is impossible to ignore.
marshall just debuted a new series of 1 watt tube amps they are making at the winter namm show.
they power scale down to 1/10th of a watt, and they are all tube, both combo and head/cab.
finally someone has realized there is a market for this kinda thing.  i can't wait to try one out.
if there are any to try out.  marshall says they are making them limited run
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: zagatron1 January 16, 2012, 10:36:10 AM
Sounds like those Marshalls you mentioned are worth checkin' out DH. My personal experience with decent "bedroom" amps are Fenders' Vibro Champ XD and my current amp, the Swart SpaceTone Atomic Jr. which both use 6V6 tubes. Of course the Fender has the DSP, SS pre-amp and the Swart is all tube.
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: DetroitBlues January 16, 2012, 02:37:23 PM
Vibro Champ XD is rather good.  I never tried a Cube, but many speak rather highly of them.  I think in the UK, Rob Chappers loves his... Of course, most of his gear is free, so if I had free gear, I'd be inclined to favor them too....
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: Memory Lane Jr January 16, 2012, 03:56:11 PM
I have heard a lot of good things about the Super Champ XD, I think you did your Opus on one of those DB?
Any thoughts on the Fender Blues Jr? I have spotted one on ebay that could go for the right price I think it is eight yrs old.
And those 1 watt Marshall's sound interesting, a lot of people rave about the Blackstar HT-1 but I have never tried one, I just missed a good one on ebay that sold for $120, someone got a bargain. 8)
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: zagatron1 January 16, 2012, 06:30:19 PM
Catch a glimpse here of the Marshall Golden Jubilee Amp 1 watt Limited Editions.
http://rowbinet.co.uk/tag/marshall-golden-jubilee/
I guess the details will be coming eventually.
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: Memory Lane Jr January 16, 2012, 06:48:11 PM
Catch a glimpse here of the Marshall Golden Jubilee Amp 1 watt Limited Editions.
http://rowbinet.co.uk/tag/marshall-golden-jubilee/
I guess the details will be coming eventually.

They look terrific probably expensive too.
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: DetroitBlues January 16, 2012, 08:55:19 PM
Think that is expensive?  Take a look at Fractal Audio Axe-FX II and its control board!.

http://www.fractalaudio.com/p-axe-fx-ii-preamp-fx-processor.php

$2500....
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: zagatron1 January 16, 2012, 09:09:42 PM
Think that is expensive?  Take a look at Fractal Audio Axe-FX II and its control board!.

http://www.fractalaudio.com/p-axe-fx-ii-preamp-fx-processor.php

$2500....

These jokers don't even cut you no slack when it comes to shipping either. I mean $30.37 for UPS ground! Well, to where I'm at anyway. They can keep it, nobody's paying me to play in my bedroom.
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: Memory Lane Jr January 17, 2012, 12:37:42 AM
Think that is expensive?  Take a look at Fractal Audio Axe-FX II and its control board!.

http://www.fractalaudio.com/p-axe-fx-ii-preamp-fx-processor.php

$2500....

Yeh that is crazy, I just read a good review on them in Guitarist mag. They will have to start making them in Korea or China to get the price down to an acceptable level for the masses you would think.
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: IM4Tone January 18, 2012, 12:07:48 PM
Gotta agree: for lower volumes SS shine, but for higher volumes it's tubes. I also have a modeling amp (a Vypyr 75 watt) with good sounds...decent at lower volumes, but better at more volume.

Regarding the Fender Blues jr., I've had one for a number of years and don't be fooled by the 15 watts, It's loud and sounds best @loud volume. Not so great @ low volumes IMO.

Also I like my Ibanez TSA15H; it's a very good sounding smaller tube amp...respectable at lower vol. but best turned up using the full 15 watt mode. It has a feature that allows switching to 5 watts and sounds great at lower volumes. They also make it in a combo version now.

Also have a Blackstar HT20H (20 watt tube head) and again, sounds it's best @ higher volumes and it can get very loud! There are great reviews on the smaller Blackstars (both the 1 watt and the 5 watt). I love the HT20H, but not at bedroom volumes.

So if it's tone at low volumes you're looking for, I'd recommend test driving the Ibanez TSA15, or the HT1 or HT5 Blackstar. And that's my 2 cents worth :)
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: DetroitBlues January 18, 2012, 01:04:01 PM
The vyper is a tube amp with modeling over top isn't it?

But you have a great collection of amps.  Got all your bases covered it looks...
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: IM4Tone January 18, 2012, 09:25:43 PM
The vyper is a tube amp with modeling over top isn't it?

But you have a great collection of amps.  Got all your bases covered it looks...
The Vypyr series includes both total SS and hybrids w/ tubes, all w/ modeling. My Vypyr, the 75, is total SS.
And I didn't mention my Fender BDRI w/ matching extension cab. because it didn't seem to fit into the discussion, being 40 all tube watts. Talk about LOUD! And, I don't talk much about my Bugera V22 which is quite a disappointment :(
But in my amp-fickle mind, I never seem to have all bases covered :-\ It's a bad (and expensive) disease :(
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: Memory Lane Jr January 19, 2012, 02:09:47 AM
Gotta agree: for lower volumes SS shine, but for higher volumes it's tubes. I also have a modeling amp (a Vypyr 75 watt) with good sounds...decent at lower volumes, but better at more volume.

Regarding the Fender Blues jr., I've had one for a number of years and don't be fooled by the 15 watts, It's loud and sounds best @loud volume. Not so great @ low volumes IMO.

Also I like my Ibanez TSA15H; it's a very good sounding smaller tube amp...respectable at lower vol. but best turned up using the full 15 watt mode. It has a feature that allows switching to 5 watts and sounds great at lower volumes. They also make it in a combo version now.


Also have a Blackstar HT20H (20 watt tube head) and again, sounds it's best @ higher volumes and it can get very loud! There are great reviews on the smaller Blackstars (both the 1 watt and the 5 watt). I love the HT20H, but not at bedroom volumes.

So if it's tone at low volumes you're looking for, I'd recommend test driving the Ibanez TSA15, or the HT1 or HT5 Blackstar. And that's my 2 cents worth :)
Yeh it is a bummer not being able to crank up a tube amp but I am still very happy with my Tweaker15 at moderate volumes.
I have tried out a Blackstar HT-20 Studio & they are a very good amp but as you say not really a bedroom amp.
Have not had chance to try HT-1R as yet, it will be interesting to see the new 1 watt Marshall's to be shown at NAMM.

http://rowbinet.co.uk/tag/marshall-golden-jubilee/ (http://rowbinet.co.uk/tag/marshall-golden-jubilee/)
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: reb January 19, 2012, 07:14:31 AM
i don't know how many of you recall my tuning issues...i hear 'off sounds' too well, despite losing my 3 khz and up levels.

after much, much investigation, my tuning issues break down to several things:

1. a 'standard' guitar neck is NEVER in tune at all positions. some are better than others due to very small issues.
2. some tube amps have wolf tones; some have them with some speakers and some cabs; some 'just have them'.
3. a pedal or an effect tends to cover some of the tune issues.
4. a crappy cabinet (cheap or loose board or poor design) makes lots of other things sound like they are a problem.

what i have been doing lately when i have the time is playing through an electro harmonix 44 magnum into different cabs. guitars that i might have taken to the garage sale are no longer 'in that pile'.

what is really discouraging to me is my one expensive tube amp only seems to like one cabinet (home built out of 3/4" ply) with one guitar. that's all the isolation i have been able to do with it. what ices this cake is...the digital 44 magnum sounds pretty good with nearly any guitar i send into it, and almost all of the cabinets i built. the dang thing is way loud....louder than i will ever need, and it likes my tube screamer reissue really well, also. for about $240 it may become my 'go to' set up with any of the electric guitars i have.

so, it wasn't my guitars or the tuning machines, it is the interplay between tube amp and speaker and guitar. the 'out of tune' sounds i heard were ruining my fun...i can't stand to listen to someone play out of tune. if it's me that i hear doing it, i won't do it once i hear it. i quit in frustration and sit and think.

i am no longer a tube snob. i may be becoming a digital amp follower.
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: Memory Lane Jr January 20, 2012, 06:57:48 AM
i don't know how many of you recall my tuning issues...i hear 'off sounds' too well, despite losing my 3 khz and up levels.

after much, much investigation, my tuning issues break down to several things:

1. a 'standard' guitar neck is NEVER in tune at all positions. some are better than others due to very small issues.
2. some tube amps have wolf tones; some have them with some speakers and some cabs; some 'just have them'.
3. a pedal or an effect tends to cover some of the tune issues.
4. a crappy cabinet (cheap or loose board or poor design) makes lots of other things sound like they are a problem.

what i have been doing lately when i have the time is playing through an electro harmonix 44 magnum into different cabs. guitars that i might have taken to the garage sale are no longer 'in that pile'.

what is really discouraging to me is my one expensive tube amp only seems to like one cabinet (home built out of 3/4" ply) with one guitar. that's all the isolation i have been able to do with it. what ices this cake is...the digital 44 magnum sounds pretty good with nearly any guitar i send into it, and almost all of the cabinets i built. the dang thing is way loud....louder than i will ever need, and it likes my tube screamer reissue really well, also. for about $240 it may become my 'go to' set up with any of the electric guitars i have.

so, it wasn't my guitars or the tuning machines, it is the interplay between tube amp and speaker and guitar. the 'out of tune' sounds i heard were ruining my fun...i can't stand to listen to someone play out of tune. if it's me that i hear doing it, i won't do it once i hear it. i quit in frustration and sit and think.

i am no longer a tube snob. i may be becoming a digital amp follower.

It's funny you should say that reb because I have been playing with my Vox modeling amp a fair bit lately & really enjoying it, mind you I don't use the inbuilt FX apart from the amp models US Blues or US High Gain,I'm not real keen on the Brit voicings & I use my pedals for delay & reverb if needed.
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: DetroitBlues January 20, 2012, 08:55:53 AM
Never really had a problem with anything sounding out of tune.  Typically, innotation changes on a guitar as the string break in or wear out.  Not really a problem to adjust them.  Besides, I do a lot of bending, and bend the notes up to the right pitch... Works for me.
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: diaper head January 20, 2012, 10:40:26 AM
while the neck of a guitar is not perfectly intonated, there are tuning systems available to correct that.
buzz feiten is one,  and there is a neck made with funny shaped frets to compensate for scale length irregularities. lastly there is auto tune for guitars, just debuted at namm yesterday:

http://www.antarestech.com/

here is a demo.

http://www.premierguitar.com/Video/20120119/1728/NAMM_12_Peavey_AT_200_Auto_Tune_Guitar_Demo.aspx
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: DetroitBlues January 20, 2012, 11:02:30 AM
My local luthier does the buzz feiten system, he recommends on shredder and budget/moderate level guitars.  He says they're not necessary on high end guitars... Not sure why though.
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: reb January 20, 2012, 12:29:31 PM
it's sick. that's what it is....the intonation 'at the bridge' will not correct all the issues. i have seen (and can't right now find) a neck with staggered frets (yeah, no lie.  $500...but it claims to correct the neck issues, and one of the mags loved it).

this guy has the same issues i have. i can't come even close to his excellent explanation, because i don't have his technical background, but i hear this S$%t!!! AND IT DRIVES ME BONKERS!!!! years ago, before i had ruined my hearing with motorcycles, airplaines, complaining women, loud equipment and firearms, people who did not know me in our 100 yard by 50 yard 'office space' (old warehouse) would speak in normal tones, and i would later recount their conversation to someone or even them for some reason. they would say 'how did you hear me say that? you sob! did you have a bug in so and so's office?'. no, i hear things i don't want to hear....

when the guy in the article says his 'ears get tired', i have the same phenomenon. after an hour at a workable volume, i may start to hear things...usually, my mind focuses on some harmonic, or a string that has slipped. if B slips, i have to retune everything to 'compatibility', and to match with whatever cd or even my own looper tuning.

after readin ghis article, i now know why my korg tuner will sometimes go intermittent...i'll have to open it up, i suppose, and get the soldering iron. :) i bookmarked this, so, when i get whackadoo, i can read it again and remember 'life is not perfect. tuning is not perfect. find a compromise, and live with it'.

what i am finding is 'removing the variables' (the tube amp harmonics, pedals, loose tuners, poor string anchoring, you name it) will allow me to have a session i enjoy. perfectionist...that is the same as 'ocd' or 'addict'. i am aware of this character flaw..i have more than i like to think about in common with Dr. Sheldon Cooper, sadly.

the 44magnum has saved my sanity, at least temporarily. i am finding that it plays nice with the looper. i'm enjoying my strat again...some of what this guy says is why i don't have the trem arm on the strat....another 'short putt to nutland' is what strat trem arms are for me.

http://www.endino.com/archive/tuningnightmares.html

i will tell you guys another thing...sincei have restricted myself to the 44, i am finding even more tones in the hagstrom than i did before.

MLJ, i have a little old vox digital amp...a da10, i think. it's a recording whiz....when i had everythig set up to go direct to computer, it's direct out was wonderful. the 'dubstep' that i put on soundclick was recorded using the vox. people just don't realize how useful some apparently small 'and not tube' amps really are.
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: DetroitBlues January 20, 2012, 02:25:30 PM
That is when I reach the point and tell myself to shut up and just play....
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: zagatron1 January 20, 2012, 04:23:35 PM
This doesn't have anything to do with tuning, but I just wanna jump back to these 1 watt Marshalls that are coming out this year right quick. I found out that the JTM-1 combo and head are supposed to be out sometime this month, next would be the JMP-1 should be available in March, the JCM-1 in June, the JVM-1 will be out either October or November. Not a whole lot of info on the DSL-1 amp. At least I've havn't found any. Prices range from 479 for the JTM1H to 649 for the DSL-1C and the JVM-1C. I guess it's safe to say they'll be somewhere in the $750 to $1000 range. I know what I'm not gettin'. Now, back to tuning issues, the only guitars I had tuning issues with were those '09 and newer Epi Les Pauls (Plain Top and dot neck studio) I HAD. I had problems zeroing in on the G string which was too flat or sharp. The only exception is the Epi Les Paul Studio Deluxe I currently have. I never found out what the problem was with those others, 'cause I just got rid of 'em. It might have been cheap Grover tuners (if there is such a thing).
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: Memory Lane Jr January 20, 2012, 05:20:33 PM
This doesn't have anything to do with tuning, but I just wanna jump back to these 1 watt Marshalls that are coming out this year right quick. I found out that the JTM-1 combo and head are supposed to be out sometime this month, next would be the JMP-1 should be available in March, the JCM-1 in June, the JVM-1 will be out either October or November. Not a whole lot of info on the DSL-1 amp. At least I've havn't found any. Prices range from 479 for the JTM1H to 649 for the DSL-1C and the JVM-1C. I guess it's safe to say they'll be somewhere in the $750 to $1000 range. I know what I'm not gettin'. Now, back to tuning issues, the only guitars I had tuning issues with were those '09 and newer Epi Les Pauls (Plain Top and dot neck studio) I HAD. I had problems zeroing in on the G string which was too flat or sharp. The only exception is the Epi Les Paul Studio Deluxe I currently have. I never found out what the problem was with those others, 'cause I just got rid of 'em. It might have been cheap Grover tuners (if there is such a thing).

I think I will let the rich folks have the Marshalls for those prices, I will stick with the Blackstars they are mostly ex Marshall Amp employees anyway.
And on the tuning situation I have no problems with any of my guitars, I just pull out of case plug in & play very rare they might need a tweak, I do keep fresh strings on them though. :)
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: zagatron1 January 21, 2012, 10:36:19 AM
I'll just add that MAYBE those are M.S.R.P. prices on those Marshalls and not street ones. Just wishful thinking. ::)
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: DetroitBlues January 21, 2012, 12:01:25 PM
This doesn't have anything to do with tuning, but I just wanna jump back to these 1 watt Marshalls that are coming out this year right quick. I found out that the JTM-1 combo and head are supposed to be out sometime this month, next would be the JMP-1 should be available in March, the JCM-1 in June, the JVM-1 will be out either October or November. Not a whole lot of info on the DSL-1 amp. At least I've havn't found any. Prices range from 479 for the JTM1H to 649 for the DSL-1C and the JVM-1C. I guess it's safe to say they'll be somewhere in the $750 to $1000 range. I know what I'm not gettin'. Now, back to tuning issues, the only guitars I had tuning issues with were those '09 and newer Epi Les Pauls (Plain Top and dot neck studio) I HAD. I had problems zeroing in on the G string which was too flat or sharp. The only exception is the Epi Les Paul Studio Deluxe I currently have. I never found out what the problem was with those others, 'cause I just got rid of 'em. It might have been cheap Grover tuners (if there is such a thing).

Sounds like Marshall is taking some pointers from Blackstar....
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: zagatron1 January 28, 2012, 12:54:17 AM
Well folks, looks as though we were right 'bout Marshall! Catch a gander at this baby; http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/JTM1C/ It figures! I'd snag a Class 5 any day and be happy. It was a nice concept 'n all.... y'know, the collecting thing. I'll bet the ones that follow will be considerably more no doubt.
What a disappointment.
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: Memory Lane Jr January 28, 2012, 02:55:54 AM
Well folks, looks as though we were right 'bout Marshall! Catch a gander at this baby; http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/JTM1C/ It figures! I'd snag a Class 5 any day and be happy. It was a nice concept 'n all.... y'know, the collecting thing. I'll bet the ones that follow will be considerably more no doubt.
What a disappointment.

That is crazy :o I hate to think how much they would be here in Oz. The Blackstar HT1-R Combo is only $240 here, would love to see a comparo. :)
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: zagatron1 January 28, 2012, 08:04:27 PM
I certainly know what you mean MLJ, but dig this...... in USD 799.99, in AUD try for 750.67! ??? Like I said, "What a disappointment!" Well, I'm grateful for all the gear I DO have, so it's all good!
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: DetroitBlues January 30, 2012, 03:18:49 PM
I have heard a lot of good things about the Super Champ XD, I think you did your Opus on one of those DB?
Any thoughts on the Fender Blues Jr? I have spotted one on ebay that could go for the right price I think it is eight yrs old.
And those 1 watt Marshall's sound interesting, a lot of people rave about the Blackstar HT-1 but I have never tried one, I just missed a good one on ebay that sold for $120, someone got a bargain. 8)

Opus was the Superchamp XD and a Fender Deluxe Roadhouse/Lonestar hybrid.  Nothing in between.  Great sounding amp that has been discountinued but reborn with the X2.  Blackstar HT1R seems to be all the rage because it has a headphone jack and sounds great pushing a 4x12 cab.  (Rob Chappers on youtube has that going on, super cool!)
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: Dan February 10, 2012, 09:12:07 AM
On the original topic I find myself playing out less and less. To that end of my two amps one being a fender htrddx and the other a fender frontman 25w I end up playing the frontman 95% of the time as it's mostly bedroom levels. I've been to guitar center and am seriously considering selling both my amps and picking up a mustang III modeling amp. At low levels it sounds amazing and covers so many different models and effects that I feel I'd get much more use out of it than either of the two amps I have.

Now that I've said that, I do love the sound of the deluxe reverb reissues so much that I'm like a deer frozen in the headlights trying to decide if I should run or stay lol.
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: DetroitBlues February 10, 2012, 10:51:28 AM
Better yet, keep the frontman and get this:

(http://media.fmicdirect.com/fender/images/products/amplifiers/2301060000_frt_wmd_001.jpg)

http://www.fender.com/products/mustang/models.php?partno=2301060000
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: zagatron1 February 10, 2012, 11:09:42 AM
That looks like a good solution there DB. Affordable too! Haven't seen those. Must be new on the scene.
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: DetroitBlues February 10, 2012, 11:13:24 AM
So new, not in the stores yet....
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: Greg.D February 24, 2012, 03:17:15 PM
That looks like a good solution there DB. Affordable too! Haven't seen those. Must be new on the scene.
I think that and things similar (Pod/Pad) are the future. Amplification will become "clean"; you bring your module - a Fender "board", your iPhone/iPad, etc and plug into the house PA. Oh, yeah: bring your guitar, too!

What you bring is your tone along with speaker and cabinet emulation. Fender is ahead of the game with an expression pedal (they're not the only ones: digitech, etc). I think Alesis showed an IO Dock with a pedal at NAMM - it has a different name.

I am down to one tube amp and only get it out every so often to struggle with it. They all do one thing well and, for many, that thing can only be done at high volume. Just my opinion; glad to see open minds,

Greg

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: Memory Lane Jr February 24, 2012, 05:10:00 PM
That looks like a good solution there DB. Affordable too! Haven't seen those. Must be new on the scene.
I think that and things similar (Pod/Pad) are the future. Amplification will become "clean"; you bring your module - a Fender "board", your iPhone/iPad, etc and plug into the house PA. Oh, yeah: bring your guitar, too!

What you bring is your tone along with speaker and cabinet emulation. Fender is ahead of the game with an expression pedal (they're not the only ones: digitech, etc). I think Alesis showed an IO Dock with a pedal at NAMM - it has a different name.

I am down to one tube amp and only get it out every so often to struggle with it. They all do one thing well and, for many, that thing can only be done at high volume. Just my opinion; glad to see open minds,

Greg

Since I figured out how to get modeling software working the way I like I have not bothered cranking my amp up & I am able to practise so much more at night without making a sound.
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: secondtry February 25, 2012, 12:20:49 AM
On the original topic I find myself playing out less and less. To that end of my two amps one being a fender htrddx and the other a fender frontman 25w I end up playing the frontman 95% of the time as it's mostly bedroom levels. I've been to guitar center and am seriously considering selling both my amps and picking up a mustang III modeling amp. At low levels it sounds amazing and covers so many different models and effects that I feel I'd get much more use out of it than either of the two amps I have.

Now that I've said that, I do love the sound of the deluxe reverb reissues so much that I'm like a deer frozen in the headlights trying to decide if I should run or stay lol.

I don't play out at all, and these are the only two amps I own:

(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6643/pict0155i.jpg)

My 5 watt Fender Champ 600 (tube), and my 5 watt Vox DA5 (modeling).  I find myself using the DA5 the most.  Like most others said here, the modeling amps are great at low volume.  I also use the DA5 more because of the built in effects and because it has a headphone jack (I mostly play at night).

My Champ 600 is a great amp, but I find the DA5 more convenient to use.  When I do use my Champ and want something other than clean, I hook up my RAT II pedal or one of my Digitech Multi-effects units (my latest is an RP155 - I might make a thread about it one of these days). 8)