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zagatron1

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All Messed up.
« on: April 16, 2013, 12:08:18 PM »
The question has been asked many times, "What's the world coming to?". It's terrible what happened at the Boston Marathon Monday, April 15th 2013. In the midst of all this other stuff going on like these school shootings, some fool randomly stabbing people in a school, North Korea with a wild hair up their ass and anything else I failed to mention, I wonder what's next. All this mess in the world happening at almost the same time. Very disheartening to say the least. No wonder I don't like to go out unless I absolutely have to. Nothing much out there anymore (well, for me anyway). I'm glad to have my music and guitars to occupy my mind and hands, and for that I'm grateful. I can always turn the TV off. I know it doesn't make this stuff go away, but I still don't have to look at it.

Peace guys.

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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2013, 06:42:34 PM »
Yeah, I don't know what to think. All this violence happening in the world. It just seems closer to our backyard than ever before.

I had several friends running the Boston marathon. They are all okay, thankfully.

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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2013, 08:40:17 PM »
we all must figure how we came into position, and try not t make sam emistakes. That's the only way to protect the innocent.

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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2013, 08:10:00 AM »
the march of technology has led to a 'shrinking' of the world....humans are the same as they always have been.  we just see more of them, using the same reasons the sons and daughters of abraham have used for fighting wars for....what?....4,000 years?  why would we kill someone we don't know, have never seen for 1. money? 2. religion 3. fill in the blank.  the only sane reason to use deadly force is self defense....now, it seems a whackadoo thousands of miles away seems like a threat based on 'electronic news marketing' strategies.  strangely, i sometimes blame the internet. *S* who created the internet? i give credit to al gore. he wanted credit. he gets it. *more S*

face it. homosapiens is nuts. that is the sum of the explanation necessary. i can find peace inside myself. outside myself..not so much.  you people all scare me.....

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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2013, 06:07:14 PM »
And the hits just keep on comin'-- "On April 16, 2013, a suspicious letter was intercepted at Washington's off-site mail facility. The letter, addressed to Senator Roger Wicker (R) of Mississippi, returned positive testing results for traces of ricin. Just one day later, on April 17, 2013, the mail screening facility intercepted another letter addressed to President Barack Obama, also testing positive for traces of the lethal substance". Damn, poison through the mail!


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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2013, 06:53:52 PM »
The biggest threat now to the country is "mob crashes", you know where kids and punks randomly cause havic and steal from stores or just beat someone up for the fun of it.  This summer I feel America will see too much of this.  I'm not trying to be too alarmed by all means, but there just ain't any hard working jobs these days. It's like "easy come, easy go". What do you guys think about "mob crashes".

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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2013, 12:10:46 PM »
News is going crazy right now.

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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2013, 04:12:12 PM »
joe, i'll tell you what i think about some of these things, mob crashes included....we have for too long ignored the practicality of the death penalty. liberal communists and emos say 'it's not a deterrent'. fine...but it deters the perpetrator from doing it again, and removes them from our society and the breeding pool.

liberal communists then say 'well, it takes too long and is too expensive to get someone to the death chamber'. fine....what happened to the constitutional guarantee of a speedy trial? lawyers. society might try to get the damn lawyers under control, then things might be a bit more clear.

our border is porous...that's insanity.  we no longer permanently remove the criminally insane and unfit from society-in fact, we elect some of them and 'honor' them in the government owned press...more insanity.  these 'elected' doofusses pass laws they either refuse to enforce or cannot enforce...significant insanity. to top it off, we continue to 'vote' for them...the maximum insanity. sometimes, i think anything mankind touches mankind will 'improve it' until it turns to complete excrement..meddling hands of man....ruining everything they touch.

amazing. i sit in amazement and watch. on occasion, i laugh...gallows laughter. we're all in this together in the electronically shrinking world.

i'm damn glad i'm not in boston. the ricin incidents...well, you don't have to be in boston, do ya, zag?

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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2013, 04:56:42 PM »
Not at all Reb, not at all. And to add...... the ministers of hypocrisy continue to attempt to govern us. Where do the off the wall ideas come from? What difference will a lower capacity clip make even? All that does is give a bad shot fewer chances. Something's (or somebody) still gonna get hit. Somethin' is gettin' in these folks heads.

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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2013, 10:50:22 AM »
i think the off the wall ideas come from what the military and governments have learned in the last 100 years...the government supposedly learned a lot from the nazi's research at the death camps.  they have also done a wad of psywar research themselves (u.s.) using our tax $, and so have the russians. give them drones and corner cameras, you have them watching behaviour and using what they've learned, then putting out 'tests' on the evening news and internet.

they had no qualms about testing lsd and nuclear blasts on soldiers in the 40s, 50s and 60s.  psywar isn't going to bother them a bit...and, when the public has no idea (most of them) and is addicted to the screen...well...it's a blank slate for pshrinks to write on with tax money for research.  people control.

did you read that the leo's were using disinformation to psychologically disarm the boston bombers? when the pics came out in the press, i heard, this is when the shooting started. up til then, they wanted the bombers to think they were 'safe'. psywar.

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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2013, 01:12:23 PM »
as declaired liberal comunist, I must say only one death penalty execution is enough...

... all criminals should be thrown into 20m deep concrete pit, 50m x 100m, like football stadium without entrance door, together with some weapons and food, and let them kill each other to the last man standing, then execute the winner.

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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2013, 10:23:59 AM »
Vladan, i had to refresh my memory on Tito. maybe you grew up during his time...

our communists are NOT like your communists.  they firmly believe that communism is all about 'being kind to one another, understanding the downtrodden, taking what is someone else's to pay for it'.  iow, they subscribe to the tenet of Marxism...'from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs'...as long as the 'from' is from someone else. they are also history revisionists. our communists are 'fair weather communists'-or maybe 'kinder, gentler communists'. i have no respect for them; they would do well to read about Vladimir Putin, and follow his example-then we could see what we are dealing with....Tito was not the worst leader the world has ever seen imo, despite whatever label is applied.  our current occupant of the capitol says he is 'democratic', but is a dictator with a thin mask on.

the pit? costs too much....we are broke here. even at inflated prices, a centerfire round is only about a $1 each; the pit, while lasting a good while, would require a lot of work, a bunch of cleanup, and 'provisions'. we got to be efficient nowadays, what with the lousy economy.

the only issue i have with the word 'criminals' is the way Beria described who is a criminal to Stalin.  if our 'communists' are going to decide 'who is a criminal', then i have further serious problems with them. see fourth paragraph...

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120726/OPINION02/707269903/1006/news03

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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2013, 11:54:07 AM »
Thanks for sharin' that Reb. I read the whole thing.

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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2013, 06:16:10 PM »
Hey,

first thing to say, when I say "declaired" I mean "selfdeclaired" ie. when I analyse my thoughts, feelings and views, and compare them to what I know about political theory (of 19th and 20th centyry) I find my self liberal and comunist at the same time, so ...
Tito, yes, I was 13 when he died. He managed the country on basis of dumpening zone btw NATO and Warsaw block. We were slightly more inclined to the West, percieving Russia as a threat, and the "west" as protector from Russia.

No members of my familly were Party members (interesting triva, it was not named Comunist Party at all, in Yugoslavia the name of party was The Union of Yugoslav Communists, just for the record), at least not on a comletely pure free will. For example, if you're a teacher, and you advance, at the moment you're to becoma School director, you have to join THE Party, or you'll stay deputy director forever. That was the game. Not too rough, I think. Since 1989 we have multiparty pairlamentarism, and you still have to be in A Party to be a school director. Difference is, you can choose your party, but your party of choice has to win the elections so you could draw from it. I'm not in that game, just the same.

So, I'm comunist on my free will, but just on philosophical level, not a party member. That Marxist maxime is what really counts, but must be executed without exceptions. Also ther's other side of the bat to it. People often fail to, or chose not to, undestand. If you do not give according to your abilities, you won't get up to your needs. At least that's logical consequence of given maxime as a premisse.

Couple of years ago, I was in USA and have met some Srbian emigration. I was in Nashville and Cleveland (fact that there are Country and R'n'R houses of fame, respectively, was purely coincidental). Couple of Serbian people I met in Nashville, conected to music business in a way, were on the lines of "what the f*** is going on, USA's becoming comunist country", with addition of "civil war btw Dixies and Yankees is still going on."
On the other hand, people from Cleveland were more connected in politics and traditional business, they were not mentioning communism, but those on lower level of food chain, small one man businesses and such, did complain about malicious exploatation of wellfare programs and telling some racist jokes aout current president of USA.

So, I forgot what I wanted to say, I began typing this at 1900 local, and returned to it now, after midnight, had some business in the meantime ...
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2013, 11:40:54 PM »
Vladan,

this is my perspective on the war of northern aggression (aka 'the Civil War'-an obvious mutilation of language).....

if i join a club, and later i want out....if 'the club' comes to violently force me to remain a member....that aint no club i want to join.

this (what follows) is to me the height of hypocrisy....Kosovo wants out of Serbia, so NATO supports them?  what might be said about the northern states forcing the southern to remain in 'the union'??? no, i don't like the perspective 'your group is part of our group-if you try to get out, we will invade you and enslave you such that you must remain with us'-maybe some Serbs don't like Kosovians, either, or vice versa. when a wife or husband wants a divorce, and the other party forcibly makes them remain....none of us consider that reasonable...then why??? no, that difference of opinion as to self governance is far from over. the balkan states have issues that go back farther than our 'civil war'...clinton meddling in the affairs of the balkan states didn't change anything. the 'peacekeepers' in many foreign countries don't change anything. things simmer for a long time amongst humans.

i have far less problems with communists who say they are communists than these wimpy yoyos who say they are 'democrats' or 'socialists' or 'humanitarians', but essentially support marxism. call a thief a thief, i say... the german national socialist party wanted to appear 'kinder, gentler' until they gained power.

i agree with zag...i play my music, do my work, stay away from disagreeable situations...but the world is a kettle which boils over frequently.  no one is decent enough to leave others alone....always gotta tell someone else how to live, usually using 'the government' or soldiers to do so. very wrong.